Post Mortem: Tony Hale Talks Gary and Selina's Epic Clash, Sheds Light on 'Labor Day' Mystery. April 19 2015, 7:57 PM PDT. [Laughs] In Garys world, I always had this vision that he comes home at night and says into a recordereverything that is in the bag. Thats throughout your life, if thats what youre going to invest in the world, and thats the end of your life. Shell carry forth, but that moment in the White House is the punishment. The gut-punch of a betrayal played out in the present-day ending of Sundays series finale, which then jumped ahead 24 years to former President Meyers funeral. I think he has forgiven her. (Laughs.) I remember when she asked me early on in the series to break up with her boyfriend for her, because she didnt want to face it. Im just now thinking about this, but I think during those 20 years, there was probably a good five years in the beginning that he thought she was going to change her mind and wake up and realize how special he was to her. The Hollywood Reporter is a part of Penske Media Corporation. And theres nothing you could do that would ever satisfy her, he says. Shes a scientist. Though she was fatally shot by the president of her fan club in 1995, the 23-year-old was able to accomplish some huge feats - from being credited with catapulting Latin music into the . Its very specific, and it aint Amy, and it was never going to be Amy. Its so incredibly gratifying. Mandel imagines that Selina is haunted when shes alone and that in those moments of silence, she cries herself to sleep over Gary the most. So I think probably the last 15 years of that prison sentence was spent dealing with that and all those feelings. Selina Meyer and her staff try to take on the White House in this HBO sitcom. She beats him and beats him badly. And theres no coming back. So I saw that a bunch, and I even saw people thinking he would [be nominated for] president somehow in this convention, that he would somehow emerge from the morass. How are you feeling about the change? What conversations, if any, did you have with him about the ending and wrapping up the show?We saw each other at the premiere in New York. Veep Season 7, episode 7 photo: Colleen Hayes/HBO. Minus the now-deceased Ben (Kevin Dunn), the gang was all there, including two-term President Richard Splett (!, Sam Richardson) and ex-con Gary, who placed the Dubonnet lipstick that they had been saving for a special occasion on her casket. But if you watch when he talks about how she wouldve hated the flowers, theres an anger there. "Like a dog returning to its vomit" is how Tony Hale recently and colorfully described it. Hed love to be a food critic. And as we started doing this season, we werent trying to be greedy, but I wrote down this idea that wed end up back in the Oval and Sue would be there. ", Filming that pivotal sell-out scenein which Selina knows that the end is nigh for Garywas challenging for both actors, given the weight of the moment (and the fact that this would be the last scene in which Louis-Dreyfus and Hale shared the screen). "Nah," she said, reversing course. On the contrary. But I kinda like the idea of finding out more, so well see what happens., Source: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/veep-showrunner-david-mandel-responds-labor-day-theories-162157120.html. This is, you know it's roadkill." Lets also go one step further: at the end there, she could have left any time, but unfortunately, theres a sickness to her as well, that she doesnt have to take that chief of staff job. Every single night he does it just to be prepared for the next day. It was lovely that he came to New York for the premiere, and obviously, hes busy with [upcoming HBO space comedy Avenue 5]. Because its almost like the same thing with Selina, where the train was moving so fast with every bad choice and horrible action that she couldnt stop herself. Catherine does go kind of the full Claire Danes. this link is to an external site that may or may not meet accessibility guidelines. The Ericsson thing it was funny, it was actually Annas idea, and I thought it was very enjoyable. Because the others do, and she doesnt. In Selina's final sceneat least one in which she is not in a casketshe reflexively called out for Gary in the Oval Office, only to have new staffer Keith (Andy Daly) remind her that Gary is gone. Because that moment she realized she wasnt going to have to change it to something else. So again, it wouldve been Jonahs fault that she didnt get what she wanted. Selina snaps out of that moment of sad solitude when the Israeli Prime Minister calls, and shes charmingly back to doing what she does best. There was a moment when she was looking at Gary and you could see the sadness in her eyes for him, but she couldnt stop herself. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: The majority got it right (K-lumsky). She was aware of what she was doing. . ", "It was just f---ing fabulous!" Im not going to use the K word, which is Kellyanne [Conway]. That they murdered somebody just too easy, Mandel says. And that scene just plays. Welcome to the Quantum Realm. and when I look back on my 52 years with almost 30 of them spent in public service there is no one who has sacrificed more than me. Labor Day vs. May Day . "You'd hate the flowers but I I brought the Dubonnet," he says to her flag-draped coffin, a cocktail of emotions flooding his weary voice. Happy Labor Day weekend, America. : r/Veep - Reddit; 2.Veep Post Mortem: Tony Hale Talks Gary and Selina's Epic - TVLine He has no identity outside of Selina Meyer. I think Isles is clearly smarter. We here at EW now continue coverage of the passing of Selina Meyer and the rest of the shows deficient souls. Everything is so normal that when she starts to try and ask him like maybe she was going to ask him to just take the fall flat-out and she never finishes the sentence but, of course, his assumption is: do you need me to run across the street to get some coffee? My story is that Im super bummed its over! But one cant be surprised by everything horrific and morally bankrupt that she does after seeing her in action like that.Were taking advantage of something that Ive talked a lot about, which is people sometimes say to themselves, Oh, I want Selina to be president. And its always like, Well, no. (Laughs.) Im game. I mean, she doesn't dare go down that path of regret. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. She has a new Amy [in Michelle, played by Rhea Seehorn]. How long had you been sitting on that idea as the ending?There was always this idea of jumping ahead to the funeral. Was one of the messages of the finale, If you have been rooting for Selina all along, you chose very poorly, and were here to not-gently remind you of that?That is the wonderful thing. But keep in mind, as far as Garys concerned, she shouldve been president years ago. Im hoping that well get it in this year, but Im not sure we will. At what price victory? And so, Julia e-mailed him, and then we got back this very quick auto-response, that was like, Im traveling. Maybe at that moment she sticks her toe in that regret pond, but then quickly pulls it out, and moves forward with her miserable selfalone, and without anyone or anything in her life of meaning. And did you initially try to get her back for more episodes this season?I think at some point there was a thought of seeing her back in the Montez [Andrea Savage] days, season 6. Oura Ring 3 vs. I feel like the possibility of Jonahs impending death would be just as nerve-racking as all the times Quinn was in danger. Thats the byproduct. Why was it so important that Gary would be doing something so Gary-like he picks a seed out of her teeth as they are having this final conversation? Disturbing. The most joy Gary ever had was when he would get the right lipstick; when he would get the right coat. Did she get what she deserved, in addition to what she felt she deserved?DAVID MANDEL: Well, I do think she got what she deserved. An incompetent boss [like Mike] is the greatest thing in the world then you can do what you like. Except the desired outcome would be the opposite: wed be holding our breath to see if Jonah would escape danger but wed be super upset and disappointed each time he survived, MANDEL RESPONDS: Thatd be very funny, he says of having a Carrie-type crier. So, I guess because of his simplicity, dare I say, I dont blame him quite as much as I blame her. Was the attitude in the writers room this season one of The cruelty, ignorance and hypocrisy in this world needs an equal and opposite force more than ever, or was it Its our last season, so lets adopt a scorched Earth policy, or maybe a bit of both?I go for a little bit of both, and Ill throw a third thing in. But its still Catherine. HBO's Official 2017 Emmy After Party - Inside. I mean, it wasnt a healthy relationship and he was certainly complicit in it in the sense of it takes two to tango. Garys got a lot of secrets. But the arbitrary rule all but . There was anger in his farewell words, but also a sense of love. Theres that part where she asks for the favor and then she stops herself and says, Oh never mind. I asked this question, because it sounded like she was going to say it and then stopped herself. It was kinda great., TRUMP MOMENT as @VeepHBO closing credit scene is ???????????? Its been a well-received season of change for HBOs Veep, but as we found out when we posed showrunner David Mandels 13 questions to fans, there are two things you can count on remaining the same: viewers love-hate relationship with Jonah and their shared desire to know what Gary did for Selina on Labor Day. (Based on @Walldo tweet) pic.twitter.com/aZpKydSbkn, Jesse McLaren (@McJesse) March 31, 2017, ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: We all know attempts at sarcasm dont always translate well in print. He legitimately was there to say goodbye. It was really, really fun to do. I think then youre sort of in Bill OReilly territory. Sign up for THR news straight to your inbox every day, Inside the business of TV with breaking news, expert analysis and showrunner interviews. I think shes that kind of boss that would give you things to do, and before you even had 30 seconds to do it, shed be asking where it was, and then she would take it back from you and do it herself. Even when we got together and watched the last episode [on Sunday night], just swapping stories and talking about our time in Baltimore. On Sunday night, the series finale of HBOs Emmy-winning, cynical-to-its-corroded-core comedy answered: To hell. Banijay Asia CEO Deepak Dhar On 'The Night Manager', Remaking, Wall Street Wary of Man United, WWE Deals as Sports StocksSlump, 'The Mandalorian' Seasons 1 and 2 Take Place Over 'Many Years,', 'Doctor Who' Showrunner Russell T Davies Boards BBC Viagra Drama. "I'm not going anywhere. It was right after she finished her speech that the balloons came down, so I think we did that scene over and over just to make sure we got everything we needed before they did. What Selina did was the biggest gift to Gary, because thats the only thing that would have broken the cycle for him, Hale now tells The Hollywood Reporter. Shes willing to get rid of Jaffar [Usman Ally], arguably the love of her life. In some interesting, weird way, Im almost curious as to what he wouldve done had she actually asked him. Andrew popped up on the street in Oslo last week and crossed in front of the group at the funeral. She has to be thinking, This is bad right now and this is a little bit bad for me, but I dont think she can be thinking about how horrific the rest of her life is going to be. That being said, hes a simple soul. But now thats its coming back a second time, its this realization of, its almost like, We tried. But what went through her head was, We had tried earlier in the day off the Muslim math thing. But I also sort of agree [with Eman]: With Labor Day, at some point you worry that theres no answer that would satisfy anybody, he says. I like to think its a credit to Armando [Iannucci, the shows creator] and the previous writers, and my current writers, that we can make you root for a terrible person. Hahahaha, Brazilian fan Luiz Guilherme Romagnoli laughed. I dont want to say it was hard, but trying to exactly figure out: was it real estate or what for him? They were putting those two things together and thinking that education is bad, and Im sorry, I think thats wrong. On a personal note, Mandel says the Rizzoli & Isles writers were wonderful neighbors. At the end of the day, just a small-time guy in a big office. Hes the same guy just a little grayer here and there, maybe a little tanner. And at one point, we even talked about in the episode where you would meet the General and he plans her funeral, the credits of that episode would be the funeral. The Dan-Amy shippers that was never going to happen. He was the one who believed the most in the purity and potential of government. When did you decide to play that devastating card, and how did you decide that she would stoop that low?I refer to it in the [writers] room a little bit as the Fredo moment [from The Godfather Part II], for many reasons, but also just the lovingness and the loyalty of poor Fredo and, of course, of poor Gary Originally that was not happening. Yet, Catherine seemed happier for it. Before the moment turned into something more shattering, though, she was jolted out of her daze when the Israeli prime minister calls, and she quickly reverted to charm mode. Yes, the person she had appointed to take charge of her faith-based initiativethe person who had the most faith in her, the person who did god-knows-what for her on the good ship Labor Daywould be the one to pay for all of her corruption. It was so satisfying on so many levels. She didnt really care about Gary but selfishly, I think she thinks that she cant survive without him around. MANDEL RESPONDS: It doesnt surprise me that people like Mother. I love Mother. I guess it surprises me that it was such a clear winner, just because its that typical sort of thing its hard to pick among your children, as they say. And so in becoming president, Montez would have held on to her, and that there would have been a moment or two when we went back to the Montez White House, or even maybe trying to call Montez and Sue would have answered the phone, some version of that. Yet we love Selina because a.) In this hilarious clip from HBO's "Veep " Selina (Julia Louis Dreyfus) and Gary (Tony Hale) finally have a blowout and essentially reset their relationship. Why am I here? Veep Post Mortem: Tony Hale Talks Gary and Selina's Epic Clash, Sheds Light on 'Labor Day' Mystery. I guess that would be a real problem. By And that idea that comes up earlier in the season, which is her having to plan her own funeral which presidents do I honestly think we tried to jam that into the finale of season 5 when she was leaving the White House. That's why he went back. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: They werent happy about it, but roughly 60 percent said Gary wearing corduroy. Veep: Inside the final days of TVs smartest and filthiest comedy Veep stars choose their all-time favorite scenes Watch Veep star Timothy Simons read unaired Jonah insults. Their only daughter, Catherine Meyer, was born in 1994. Was Catherines cutting of ties with Selina the healthiest decision she made?Her realization that she was interested in members of the same sex and ultimately her happiness with Marjorie and the family they built I think theres a three-year story there of her becoming a more and better-fulfilled person. First off, the fact that Gary has beenseparated from Selina now that shes President has been emotional suicide for him. When we see him, hes not looking so great. What is the feeling in that moment? But its that same street fighter that then continues to do all of those other horrible things. TVLINE | Did you and Julia spend a lot of time working on the scene to get it just right? How did you get her to return? Mike McLintock anchored coverage of Selina's funeral as her coffin entered the vagina-shaped crypt. And whose was the hardest to settle on?I most loved Richard being president, and I loved the three-state solution to the [Israeli-Palestinian] crisis, because even I as the writer have no idea what the third state is. As a whole, I was really satisfied by where they were taking the end because Selina was so awful, so bitter, so narcissistic and so selfish without any empathy. Captured and kidnapped by some sort of terrorist act and put in a room with Sarin gas, like Peter Quinn. His personal pick for a crossover? That is a really sharp turn for the character in that day. And it's just like, of course she's not going to put herself in that. Kent (Gary Cole) is a full-on hippie-raising alpaca but wants to focus on his watchmaking! I think there was a mix of, he had blinders to it but there were also sometimes I dont think he necessarily understood it. The betrayal and flash-forward outcome solidified Selinas monstrous transformation and yet, if you ask Hale, he has a surprising take on how it all played out. And the camera finds her contemplating it, like struck that its happening. "His devotion to her was so evident in those final moments, with the lipstick," she says. Those are the favors. I dont know. I mean, Dan is with who he wants to be. That could be enjoyable. The MCUs tiniest heroes are kicking off its biggest phase yet, setting up the next several years of storytelling. Uh, what? Dan (Reid Scott) is selling real estate in Laguna Beach! I pair that with how excited I am to be able to have had a full-circle moment in Veep, to show the beginning and an end and to walk through the whole journey and to have the whole arc of the series completed. Maybe its all for the best. Desperate to find a fall guy for her scandals with the Meyer Fund and illicit ties to the . "Thank you and God bless America!". Its the darkest moment for Selina and for the show. Yeah. Selina, bitter with Doyle after the debacle in Season 5, begins grooming Jonah to run under the condition that he appoints her Secretary of State, and in return, shell finance his campaign. Oh, that sucks! Jonah was going to stall and take too long, and along with the demands, in that stall, Tom James [Hugh Laurie] was going to make his move and swoop in and get the nomination, then win the presidency. But history cannot deny how many times she ran for the presidency and how badly she wanted it. I wanted to come out and remind people just what Veep was. Entertainment Weekly may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. The production of the convention was large in scale: it was filmed at a real arena in Los Angeles and they dropped a conventions-worth of balloons from the ceiling. Not only is what shes doing completely unethical, its the way shes doing it. Is there any world where you do a spinoff or movie or continue this character in some way? [spoiler] What happened on Labor Day? I will say, our character relationship and our friendship has genuinely been one of the biggest gifts of my career. The international opinion on Trump is quite clear, so I think they are fascinated by [whats happening], and horrified, much like a lot of Americans. Fr nhere Informationen zur Nutzung Ihrer Daten lesen Sie bitte unsere Datenschutzerklrung und Cookie-Richtlinie. We, I dont want to say padded, because my guess is he could end up with more. DAVID MANDEL ASKS: Do you want to know what happened on Labor Day? He placed the lipstick on the coffin and touched the coffin somberly before walking away. I feel like the sun has set on her career., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Yes, 85 percent of people said theyd like to know what Gary and Selina were referring to in Season 4s legendary East Wing blowup when he yelled, Can you find somebody else who did what I did? and she responded, You mean on Labor Day? About half of those people, without provocation, also added that theyd like to know what was in the trash bag that Selina made Gary retrieve in Season 2s Shutdown. The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained., MANDEL RESPONDS: I didnt know the trash bag was on their minds quite as much, but thats fascinating. So hell blow up at Dan or Jonah, but never Selina. I dont remember whose idea that was, but It was a really nice distraction from the weight of what was going on. I guess as long as you werent a good-looking woman. I think she did feel a tinge of remorse and then she immediately picks up the phone and gets into her facade and hides it away, stuffs all those feelings down and then turns it on again. How did you react when you read the script? Thats the wrong guy. Him seeing her just standing there, looking at whats happening, I knew, shes in on this. It just suddenly washed over her what a terrible idea this was, and what she hath wrought?Yeah. The Murder of Selena occured on March 31, 1995 after Selena was shot to death by Yolanda Saldivar (who was the president of her fan club) Selena's death received international attention and the public reaction to it was compared to those that followed the deaths of John Lennon, Elvis Presley and John F. Kennedy. Your legacy lives on in your children and that is a prime example, where her daughter is celebrating her demise and her death. And you start to realize shes just never really had a father figure. And youre right, he did look rough. Ni dung chnh. Shell push it down because shes Selina, but I think in every moment of silence, that will be back in her life forever. I think the world has gotten very horrible. There were a couple of comedies: Atlanta was in there, I think Better Call Saul had a very funny clip, because theyre a comedy-drama kind of a thing. But when [the abuse] comes from everyone else,he does see it. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from. Shes about to become president again and that is the biggest joy of Garys life. I was like, 'Oh! I think it would have suited him quite well, and I would have really enjoyed seeing him in one of those dental smock things.. So why is he there? It might be revealed down the road. And I think had Sufe not been available, we would have gotten rid of that scene and gone with the other scene. In the end, shes sitting at the Oval desk and shes totally alone, miserable and isolated. Between Sarah Sutherlands Emmy worthy ugly crying and JLDs Emmy-winning performance, I cry from laughter every time I watch this episode. Other episodes tying for second with numerous shout-outs include Season 2s D.C. and The Vic Allen Dinner (as Eman said, It has everything: Kent being evil, Youre a meme, maam, Selina singing, the line Jolly Green Ji** Face.); Season 4s Election Night; and Season 5s Congressional Ball and Kissing Your Sister (aka Catherines documentary). Whatever happened earlier in the day where she made the push and obviously it didnt go, she was all in. "That is the end result.". He does do more than fetch my hand lotion. In some ways, the lack of her courage to ask him almost makes it worse. I dont have the secret answer of what Labor Day was, I just liked the idea of a lot of clues that kept changing what you thought about it. But I guess at the end of the day, Im a cynical son of a bitch. I root for her because of amazing acting by her actor. Or, put more bluntly by Eman Abdelmouty: Shes the absolute worst. Labor Day is a federal holiday in the United States celebrated on the first Monday in September to honor and recognize the American labor movement and the works and contributions of laborers to the development and achievements of the United States. The problem is, Im happy to get rid of the incidental swearing. Gary disposed of a body for her. It was really like, 'All right, this is it.'". He has no clue what is about to happen as they celebrate her nomination. While the titular role in Selena: The Series will be taken on by . Not sensing any approaching doom, Gary asked if she wanted coffee from across the street and pointed out that it was a chia seed in her mouth. I think maybe what you were expecting is her almost being dismissive of Kent and ready to jump in. Origins of Labor Day. Hes definitely not meant for prison. He seems goofy enough to pull it off, he simply says, I think he just thinks corduroy is not very tasteful.. And when you sow that your entire life, you reap sadness and isolation. Like she instinctively yelled out for Gary and then realizes it. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. TVLINE | I also read it as her being reminded of the lengths to which Garywould go to to protect her, kind of like, Oh, right. That was not a healthy relationship in any way, shape, or form. He was expecting a phone call to be released and bailed out and apologies and all that kind of stuff. As he prepared to personally sing her praises with his "own heartfelt eulogy" of the "underrated" president, he received breaking news in his earpiece that beloved actor Tom Hanks had passed at the age of 88. He would rather be attacked and cussed at and abused than be distanced from her. But I do think being skilled is different than being a good person. But I think that care and that base level love is what brought him to the funeral. However, proof begins to surface that Chung was actually born overseas (in like Brazil or something unexpected) and he is thrown out of office. So the other nine, most of them were dramas. 2023 The Hollywood Reporter, LLC. And it was just ideal. I think hed love to go to restaurants and be able to eat, but Im not quite sure hed have a lot to say. His take? In terms of looks, I will say that the idea of Dan really not aging is one of my all-time favorite ideas. TVLINE | I feel like the first three seasons have been building to thismoment. "People in life that do invest in wounding people, or pride, arrogance'more for me, it's never enough and it's all about me'they will reap isolation and pain and sadness," he notes. [Laughs. Sie knnen Ihre Einstellungen jederzeit ndern. 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