Q: Are you familiar with a comic called Iron Man? Q: And just to follow up on something you said, you mentioned a letterer, what was the job of the letterer? I can make certain changes, if I wish, and all that, but it's a full script, which I welcome. According to Disney, Larry Lieber, the brother of late Marvel editor and publisher Stan Lee, and the heirs of the other artists served notices on the company indicating they were terminating Marvel I said "Yes, I needed work. Larry has also had a hand in co-creating some of our greatest Marvel super-heroes including Ant Man, Iron Man, and Thor. Changes in not in the basic story or anything, because I knew how to tell a story as well as anybody, I think, in terms of sequentially and what to draw, what to tell the artist. That started out with my brother writing it and me drawing it, penciling it, and it didn't do well and he finally said I could write it, and I wrote that for a while. Q: So you got paid for the script but you weren't paid for your redoing the plot a number of times? What I didn't prefer was the style that was developing. born 1950, age 68 (approx.) I used to get names out of the back of the dictionary, from the biographical section where you have foreign names, Russian, this and that. I I don't recall getting it at home. stated in. [21] Lieber wrote the first nine Ant-Man stories (following the character's non-costumed introduction months earlier) in Tales to Astonish #35-43 (Sept. 1962 - May 1963) before veteran Ernie Hart did five issues, followed by Lee taking over. [11], In 1978, Lieber began penciling and sometimes inking the new daily and Sunday comic strip The Incredible Hulk,[29] written by Lee and syndicated by the Register and Tribune Syndicate. LARRY LIEBER: It seems that way. And then there was maybe not there, but I know I maybe it was it was there and also in the New York Times they had an article about this case some time ago, and in the article they mentioned again what it was about. Died 12 Nov 2018 at age 95 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles . LARRY LIEBER: Yes. I'm sorry. Q: What was Ant-Man's name? And there were other people in the office, but nobody else seemed to have noticed this, which I was glad about, and I just took them, walked over to where I was sitting and put them in my case. . LARRY LIEBER: No. Q: Do you remember what the plot was for the first Ant-Man? Q: Let's talk about Ant-Man. MS. SINGER: Objection. 7. LARRY LIEBER: The Marvel style is what Stan did, or I think I said in the interview it began around the time of the super-heroes and with Jack Kirby, perhaps with others, I don't know. Jim's a bona fide expert on the Marvel Age, having worked as a historian for the publisher's website for 17 years, but his interests go far beyond the House . Q: And do you recall that those words or something to that effect being on the back of every check you got from Marvel for that period from 1958 to '65? Now, I don't know if I found "Uru" someplace or I just made it up or whatever. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Last year, he and several others were called to give depositions in the Kirby family v Marvel case which involves the Kirby family's quest to terminate Marvel's copyrights on 45 characters Kirby helped create. Q: Let's talk about The Rawhide Kid. LARRY LIEBER: Probably I brought it to the office, I would say. Son of Jack Aron Lieber and Celia Lieber When Larry Lieber went back 'on record', he was being question by Toberoff, who is acting for the Kirby Estate) Stan Lee was an American comic-book writer, editor, and publisher, who was executive vice president and publisher of Marvel Comics. LARRY LIEBER: As far as I remember, it was you mean written. Lee co-created Spider-Man, the Hulk, Doctor Strange, the Fantastic Four, Iron Man . As Lieber recalled it to comics historian Daniel Best, "My mother died when I was 16. I didn't, you know, and I didn't know what it was. As Lieber recalled of those creature features, Stan made up the plot, and then he'd give it to me, and I'd write the script. I didn't think anything of it, so I don't remember if it lasted until '65 or when it stopped or occasionally or whatever. I think he went out to Hollywood or out to California and that's when Jim Shooter came in [as Marvel editor-in-chief] and took over. Q: And did all of the ideas for stories come from Stan Lee or was there any other way you would get ideas? Larry Lieber. [4], Lee wrote in his autobiography that when Larry was a teenager, the boys' mother died and Lieber went to live with his brother and his sister-in-law, Joan, prompting the trio's move to Woodmere, New York, on Long Island. As Lieber, in a 1999 interview, described his experience as editor: When I went there, Martin put out two kinds of books. Stan Lee Children. He was born in the borough of Manhattan. Q: Stan Lee. LARRY LIEBER: Thank me for Anthony Stark. He is the younger brother of Marvel Comics ' writer, editor, and publisher Stan Lee . Martin Goodman the owner, was the referred-to cousin. [29], The Hulk was kind of popular on television, and so I drew The [Incredible] Hulk. LARRY LIEBER: No. Q: Now, when you were paid by the page for the purchase of your work, did they take out any taxes from your checks? Do you know whether strike that. At that time it was called Timely Comics and he owned it, Martin Goodman. He also wrote the newspaper Spider-Man comic strip for years. And I also came up with his hammer. Did you have any involvement in The Rawhide Kid? Son of Jacob Aaron Lieber and Celia (Solomon) Lieber. LARRY LIEBER: No. I said, 'I'm not really a writer.' I learned well enough that I was able to give a course some years later for him. LARRY LIEBER: I don't recall the exact words, but the gist of it was that I was giving up all rights to it, that the work, you know, now is with the company and and I don't remember the exact wording, but I think it was something "giving up your rights" or "all rights." Q: Do you see that line? I was very young and I had a couple of jobs. So he hired somebody and then the next week when I came back to him he said, "Larry, you know something, youre no good, but you're better than these other guys. MS. SINGER: Objection. I don't recall anything until the book came out and I got a copy of it and saw. Q: What was your understanding of why or your impression of why Jack Kirby was upset when he tore these up and threw them in the trash? Q: So your own paper and pencils and writing implements? Stan was born in New York City, to Celia (Solomon) and Jack Lieber, a dress cutter. And since nobody knows the name of it, I'll make it a short name. LARRY LIEBER: I don't remember whether I initiated it or Stan offered it to me. I don't know. And as time went on, he had fewer to make. LARRY LIEBER: Yes, I see the line. Please share on social media! I think it might have been Don Heck, but I'm not sure. Stan had his own way of writing and his own using as few words as possible, making them count, and he he was a good editor. The media giant, which acquired Marvel in 2009, on Friday sued Larry Lieber, who helped create the characters Iron Man, Thor and Ant-Man, and the estates of several . So I couldn't do that, I couldn't work. Also I think it's even more dramatic than [the] Spider-Man [comic strip]". I know that at the time I wanted what's the expression? There was nothing about this most . It didn't work out too well, and Jeff finally left angrily or something, and I had to take over all his books. LARRY LIEBER: About then, yeah. But it didn't last too long and but I don't remember when these things were. Lee then took over as regular writer for the next few years. Jeff Rovin came from Warren, and he knew nothing about color comics. "[13] In 1958, following an economic downturn for the publisher and the firing of virtually all the comics staffers save Lee, "Stan said he wanted somebody to help him write, and he had nobody then; he was doing it all himself. Born: 1931 October 26 in Manhattan, New York City, New York, United States Notes: To be confirmed against the Who's Who entry. LARRY LIEBER: No, they all came from Stan Lee. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Later on, his parents had another son named Larry Lieber. LARRY LIEBER: My understanding they were not obligated. I know that at the time I wanted what's the expression? Lieber also wrote and penciled two Spider-Man stories, in Web of Spider-Man #21 and 25 (Dec. 1986, April 1987). I was unsure of myself just sitting down to write a script. Did you ever have any interactions with Jack Kirby when he was drawing scripts that you had done? Fury war-comics story or a standalone tale in one of the Marvel line of black-and-white magazines such as Vampire Tales or Haunt of Horror. LARRY LIEBER: Stan. I'm not certain whether it was at the same time they were working for Marvel. I think I wanted a little more freedom. Herman "Pete" Lieber was born in Indianapolis, Indiana on November 7, 1944 to parents Kurt. LARRY LIEBER: Okay. [9], Career[edit] Early work[edit] In 1941 Lee had been made the editor of Timely Comics, the future Marvel Comics, a division of a publishing company owned by a relative, Martin Goodman. LARRY LIEBER: I just made it up, as far as I know. Joan Lieber. (break in testimony) Brother of Stan Lee. He was putting out color comics, and he was also going to put out black-and-white comics like Warren and Marvel. LARRY LIEBER: I think I had them at the very beginning when I started writing. [23], With the end of his run on Rawhide Kid, Lieber found little further Marvel work. Later, in 1958 he was fortunate to have the opportunity to. For others, I don't think that was the case. NY Death Cert # 024701. Being the son of a Hell-Lord, Daimon Hellstrom became a Lord of Hell himself, drawing power from the Hell dimension. [4] Already interested in art and drawing by this time, he attended George Washington High School there. I had a furnished room in somebody's apartment. LARRY LIEBER: No. I'm sorry. Husband of Joan (Boocock) Lee married 5 Dec 1947 in Reno, Nevada, United States. Lieber Married Celia Solomon May 5th, 1920; Manhattan, NY NY Marriage Cert # 013005 Residence records include: ===== 510 Brinley Ave, Apt 10 Beadley Beach, NJ (1955) Father of: ===== Stanley Martin Lieber, aka Stan Lee . Yes, sure. So he did. How? LARRY LIEBER: I'm sorry? LARRY LIEBER: No, I would say I don't recall looking at the book. [11] "It wasn't a very easy period," he said in 1999. I assumed, seeing a man walk out of the office and tear his artwork up, that or I thought probably they were rejected and he was annoyed or disgusted. Q: And was it your understanding that the import of the writing on the back of these checks was that by signing the check and accepting payment for your work, you were transferring over to Marvel all rights in your work? Q: Okay. Lambiek Comiclopedia. MR. TOBEROFF: I'm supposed to object before you answer. (I still retain an affection for western comics.) Q: Did you come up with any of the names in Thor? But now it was impossible. He still gave me work, he didn't want to take work away, but they were putting out a few more books. [11] Lieber recalled, I don't remember why I wanted to do it, particularly. LARRY LIEBER: I really don't. LARRY LIEBER: No. MR. TOBEROFF: Just a second. But now it was impossible. LARRY LIEBER: I believe so. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Could you do me a favor and just pause before answering a question so I have room to object before? Assumes facts. You could have done that," and he'd make some little corrections. Q: Okay. [9], In 1941, Lee was made the editor of Timely Comics, the future Marvel Comics, then a division of a publishing company owned by a relative, Martin Goodman. Celia Lieber (born Solomon) was born in 1894, at birth place, to Zanfer Solomon and Sophia Solomon. And I took them home and I taped them together, you know, I taped them all, and I kept them and I've kept them all these years to look at them and, as I say, to study them. Marvel's Thor first appeared in August 1962's Journey into Mystery #83, with creation credits believed to be Jack Kirby (penciler/plotter), Stan Lee (editor/plotter) and Larry Lieber (scripter). MS. SINGER: You have to give a pause so he can object to his own questions too. [34], Last edited on 14 February 2023, at 20:06, "A Conversation with Artist-Writer Larry Lieber", +1922&hl=en&ei=6-OpTp3_Nqnx0gHox7ynDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false 5, "Marvel Worldwide, Inc. et al. Lieber largely left superheroes to write and pencil what would be his signature series, the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid, beginning with issue #41 (Aug. 1964) and continuing through 1973 (after which it became a reprint title). LARRY LIEBER: I believe it was Jack Kirby. No. I don't, yeah, I don't know how it came about that way and why I moved on. Enjoyed this? See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus. When I went there, Martin put out two kinds of books. Find Dr. Lieber's phone number, address, insurance information, hospital affiliations and more. His final strip ran September 8, 2018. Facebook gives people the power to. Q: Okay. LARRY LIEBER: I wrote the first script for Iron Man also. Devoted son of Issie and Marsha Lieber, and son-in-law of Jeannette and Rejean Gagne . [22] Lieber wrote the first nine Ant-Man stories (following the character's non-costumed introduction months earlier) in Tales to Astonish #35-43 (Sept. 1962 - May 1963) before veteran Ernie Hart did five issues, followed by Lee taking over. So at any rate finally I think at one point he got a little exasperated and he said, "Im going to hire some of the old pros." IT GOT THREE . Let me start again. He would give it written to me. Q: Did you ever work on the comic Thor? I wanted to leave, so I left. Rachel (Lieber) Friedlender 01 Jan 1912 . Q: Who came up with the ideas for the characters that would be in the story? Hexagon Comics celebrates the 60th anniversary of Barbarella by releasing two comic books by Jean-Claude Forest, for the first time in English. Q: Do you know who the artist was who drew the first Iron Man? It didn't work out too well, and Jeff finally left angrily or something, and I had to take over all his books. Earlier today we reported that the heirs of artist Steve Ditko had . LARRY LIEBER: Yes, it's correct. Since I knew how to draw, I'd think, 'Oh, this shot will have a guy coming this way this shot will have a guy looking down on him,' and later I'd sit at the typewriter and type it up. [3] When he was six months old, the family moved to The Bronx,[4] settling into at 1720 University Avenue, which Lee described as a one-bedroom, "third-floor apartment facing out back", with him and Larry sharing a bedroom and his parents using a foldout couch. Q: So did you write the first issue of The Rawhide Kid? One of the things I had to do was to cut rates and tell people they were going to make less money, which was not an enviable position. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. Larry Lieber is the younger brother of Stan Lee. Partners of Stan Lee. . MS. SINGER: Lawyer stuff. agent Susan seeks the Hulk. I did not get paid as much as Stan, you know, his rate. Maybe there was just too much humor in it, or too much something. Other people know, and if I had the book, I could tell you. The others are worse than me. Q: So not in the period 1958 to 1965? Q: And you say, "They were full scripts and I didn't think of Jack when I wrote it at all. [19], Lieber in 1999 remembered circumstances less hyperbolically: "Thor was just another story. Jacob was born on September 15 1886, in Botosani, Romania. Q: You mentioned that Stan would give you the synopsis or the plot. LARRY LIEBER: Oh, I would turn in the script. [26] Lee then offered him the editorship of Marvel UK, the New York City-based imprint that produced black-and-white reprint comics for the UK market, as well as new stories of the superhero Captain Britain. It was the latter half of the 1960s when I became infatuated with Marvel Comics, among the favorites was Larry's Rawhide Kid. I'm a little unclear about leaving the superheroes and going to Rawhide Kid. '58. LARRY LIEBER: Stan. Stan was writing it and after a while The Hulk wasnt doing well and Stan decided to give it up, or give up his part. Discover your ancestry - search Birth, Marriage and Death certificates, census records, immigration lists and other records - all in one family search! When he was six months old, the family moved to The Bronx, settling into at 1720 University Avenue, which Lee . The others are worse than me. Q: What how did you come to work on Rawhide Kid? LARRY LIEBER: No. Q: For all the time you worked there? LARRY LIEBER: Yeah, I yeah, I guess. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. I simply wouldn't have the time to continue with The Fantastic Four, The Hulk, Spider-Man and the other odd Western, mystery, romance, humor, and assorted monster tales I was writing and still do justice to our newest feature yet a'borning. And as time went on, he had fewer to make."[14]. I was just a kid and kids liked comics at that time. Finally, you know, he did like it and I was allowed to write the script and I got paid for the script. "[8], Atlas/Seaboard and return to Marvel[edit] In 1974, Lieber left Marvel to take on an editorship at Atlas/Seaboard Comics, the term that comic book historians and collectors use to refer to the "Atlas Comics" line published by Seaboard Periodicals, to differentiate it from the 1950s Marvel Comics predecessor Atlas Comics. [9] Lieber began working for Goodman as an art assistant on the magazine side, "doing paste-ups. "[24] He considered seeking work at rival DC Comics, as some other Marvel writers and artists did, but found, "I was the only one who could never do that because that was the price for Stan being my brother. MS. SINGER: Objection. He said, "Write this," and, you know, sometimes I would write, and if it was weekend, I wouldn't wait until Monday to bring it into the office to give it to Stan, but I remember going over to the West Side, the main post office at night and mailing it. After that, after the Hulk, Stan left. His family had to live in financial difficulties in a one-bedroom apartment. Cross the Rainbow Bridge into the eternal realm of Asgard, and meet Thor's royal family for the first time! Looking for Larry Lieber online? He originally wanted to be an artist, but he "draws too slowly" and his brother needed a writer . Q: And your brother is? In our second professional sportsperson-turned-comic creator story of the day, basketball player Johnny O'Bryant has signed a deal with Tokyopop, Just before the movie hits, Marvel Comics will be relaunching the Guardians of the Galaxy comic by Collin Kelly, Jackson Lanzingand Kev Walker. Did you get paid for all the work you did for Marvel? . Q: And the black marks on the left and right-hand margins I would see what theyre doing and go back or whatever the hell it was. Larry Lieber is an American comic book artist, known for drawing Marvel's 'Rawhide Kid' and the newspaper strips of the 'Incredible Hulk' and 'The Amazing Spider-Man'. Donald L. Heck [1] (January 2, 1929 - February 23, 1995) [2] [3] was an American comics artist best known for co-creating the Marvel Comics characters Iron Man, the Wasp, Black Widow, Hawkeye and Wonder Man and for his long run penciling the Marvel superhero -team series The Avengers during the 1960s Silver Age of comic books . As he notes, this material is sure to be dissected at the atomic level for years to come. I would see what they're doing and go back or whatever the hell it was. LARRY LIEBER: No. So I learned from him. Larry Lieber was witness to the aftermath of one story conference. 26 October 1931. LARRY LIEBER: and I made it up." MS. SINGER: That's okay. We didnt have television then and so there were newspaper comics and the comic books. Yeah, I would bring it to the office. Q: When is the first time you heard the phrase "work made for hire," if any? It was either Jack or Don Heck, I think. Sometimes if there was a lot of action, you might play up that panel and only have five, let's say, one panel across. LARRY LIEBER: You know, I don't remember. Newly minted 13th Dimension regular Jim Beard is back with another foray into Marvel's past this time paying tribute to Larry Lieber, who was born 91 years ago on Oct. 26, 1931. I think I did. "He would go over it and if it were in the early years, he might correct or change a line or two. Q: And that artwork was also purchased by The award was presented July 25, 2008, during the 2008 Will Eisner Comic Industry Awards ceremony at Comic-Con International. And he told me the plot, you know, somehow I got synopsis, and I and I wrote it. Danny Earls, courtesy of a tweet from Gail Simone, and some rather fine sample pages, has secured himself gigs with both Marvel and DC Comics. No. Q: When you received were you always paid by check from Marvel? Assumes facts. LARRY LIEBER: That I did freelance work for them? [22], With the end of his run on Rawhide Kid, Lieber found little further Marvel work. Q: And when you say you were writing the stories, what exactly were you writing? (break in testimony) I reduce the pencils and I fax them. Within a few years I gathered quite a few of the early Marvels I had missed including a bunch . I remember in the early years seeing it. Right here at FameChain. Q: That's fine. They would have thought Stan Lee is sending over a spy or something you know. [33], Lieber was a recipient of the San Diego Comic-Con International's 2003 Inkpot Awards. He additionally began writing it in early 1979. Synopsis. I remember once, and I dont know when it was, but my uncle, Rob Solomon, took me down to Timely Comics.". But he always used it. He continues to pencil the Spider-Man daily strip as of 2014. Q: And who asked you to write the first script for Iron Man? Regardless, his next confirmed credit is penciling and inking the three-page story "A World to Conquer" in Journey into Unknown Worlds #52 (Dec. 1956), followed by stories in such Atlas romance comics as Love Romances, Love Tales, Stories of Romance, True Tales of Love and The Romances of Nurse Helen Grant in issues cover-dated April to August 1957 and July 1958. Marvel Comics founder and longtime publisher Martin Goodman had left Marvel in 1972, having sold the company in 1970, and launched this new company in June 1974 to go head-to-head with Marvel and DC Comics. I didn't do enough of the superheroes to know whether I'd like them. LARRY LIEBER: What did a script look like? Well, wait a minute. ", So, so that was it for me. And I thought "Henry" sounded like a scientist and "Pym" made it catching and different and exotic. LARRY LIEBER: Oh, yes. date of birth. He additionally began writing it in early 1979. LARRY LIEBER: I felt that they didn't have to pay me for it. Larry Lieber's work has been offered at auction multiple times, with realized prices ranging from 130 USD to 650 USD, depending on the size and medium of the artwork. both New York City and Indianapolis. I'm sorry, I don't. LARRY LIEBER: Yes. [5] At "about ten-and-a-half", with his brother in the U.S. Army, Lieber and his parents returned to Manhattan, moving to the Washington Heights neighborhood. Did you look at a book again? [8] His first superhero work, the first appearance of Marvel's Thor in Journey into Mystery #83 (Aug. 1962), introduced one of the mainstays of the Marvel Universe, the mystical metal "uru", of which Thor's hammer Mjolnir is made. Please join us in collaborating on LIEBER family trees. LARRY LIEBER: I would imagine it's a statement of some kind that you sign or you write. The very last line on page19. You want me August 06, 2007. I used to go to it and gets parts of names to put together."[17]. Q: You mentioned that you have never been deposed in a lawsuit before. Within the next few years, healong with help from Kirby, his brother Larry Lieber, and artist Steve Ditko . He was very easy, he was showing me and hed make some little corrections. [8], Lieber, who credits Lee as a good editor, writer and writing teacher, said his brother made very few editorial changes to Lieber's scripts. He also wrote the newspaper Spider-Man comic strip for years. Widower of Private Q: What did you come up with? (At this point there was a break where testimony was taken 'off the record' at the requests of Marvels lawyer. Larry Lieber has 1 sibling. I remember, at the time, I wanted to make everything serious. LARRY LIEBER: A script. LARRY LIEBER: No. LARRY LIEBER: No. LARRY LIEBER: It was after I had done The Rawhide Kid and I was trying, trying to earn a living doing some drawing of covers and also writing, and I wrote various stories. As Lieber explained, Lee, wasn't always the most patient person and I had problems [writing] the dialogue and he said, "Why did you say that? LARRY LIEBER: No. Home My Books Since I knew how to draw, I'd think, 'Oh, this shot will have a guy coming this way this shot will have a guy looking down on him,' and later I'd sit at the typewriter and type it up. MR. TOBEROFF: "Getting back to the writing aspect"? Q: When you did free when you did freelance work between 1958 and 1964, you did not have a written contract, correct? I was very young and I had a couple of jobs. v. Kirby et al. Lieber largely left superheroes to write and pencil what would be his signature series, the Marvel Western Rawhide Kid, beginning with issue #41 (Aug. 1964) and continuing through 1973 (after which it became a reprint title).