people like Olusoga would have to pay their share of the greatly increased taxes The argument isnt whether historical slavery was right or wrong or who should accept responsibility for it. Pretty sure if you could, implausibly, trace my family tree through various not-very-literate eras youd pass through at least one Anglo-Saxon who owned a bunch of Britons. If black lives really mattered these people would be protesting the 500 shot dead so far by predominantly black men in Chicago this year. Inflaming the reader has no purpose relative to slavery. Thy did not try to grow or raise the next generation. I brought up paedophilia to demonstrate that there are things not worth my time. Or anything to do with slavery. Dont know if I would rule it out entirely because the demographics are different but it might need a change in the voting dynamics. many African tribes kept slaves. Make sure it doesnt happen in the least costly way. Various among the societies that were agglomerated into Nigeria were more or less involved in that slave trade from the supply end. Slavery didnt last much longer for various reasons, fizzled out in a century or so, but we have the records to show it was still part of the system after twenty years of Norman rule: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/domesday/world-of-domesday/order.htm. The Celtic version of slavery (which ran to quite a different model) was still going on in the places the Romans didnt reach. They are stupid false for America. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history. He adds: "The reason Equiano's story, Equiano's voice, is not as well known as it should be, is because we have a long habit in this country of not wanting to talk about slavery. Theres no point pretending Europeans who profited from either the transatlantic slave trade or the use of slave labour in the Americas were somehow doing a favour to the slaves involved. Cheap ass presentism. Women such as Elizabeth Heyrick continued to lobby for the abolition of slavery. As it happens, I dont believe in sins of the fathers passing down the generations. Dont even get me started on the Moors, Arabs and Ottomans, As for getting rich many African tribes kept slaves and their societies did not get rich. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history.. I am of Ulster Scot heritage, who were originally John Knoxs Cumberland Presbyterians, VERY MUCH against slavery. David Olusoga's Family David Olusoga, age 49 was born to a Nigerian father and a British mother. Id agree that attitudes in the UK are approaching that situation, but theres still a long, long way to go yet. What would happen to that money, who knows, but as its (or was) your money, thats between you and your grifter of choice. Africans had a demand for female slaves. The details of difference are fairly minor. (As the first person to mention the Sokoto Caliphate ahh, forget it.). Young people - such as Lavinya Stennett who founded the Black Curriculum campaign group - have been calling for change. . I have a peeve about the BBC genealogical show Who do you think you are? which I dont know whether has been inflected upon the Left Pond. My first reaction, years and years ago, was thats awful. Hundreds of White women raped every day. His current research focuses on stress, burnout, and wellbeing in sports, with a particular interest in high-performance environments and elite coaching. My great, great, grandfather was one. Of course if a rule was instituted that only people with white skins had to pay taxes, it might happen. I imagine few do. Shouldnt matter whether some long-dead relative fought long ago for or against (not at all to disparage your ancestors GC, who all sound very sound) in terms of whether somethings your fault. A newsletter showcasing the finest writing from the ideas section, covering political ideas, philosophy, criticism and intellectual history - sent every Wednesday. The people in Portland, Seattle and Kenosha are too decadent to fight back. And I dont think this is what reparations campaigners are calling for either, as I understand it their argument includes systematic legacy issues not just the period of slavery itself, so the harm relates more directly to them not just their ancestors. So how much have considered paedophilia? He also studied at the University of Liverpool and so benefits from slavery as much as anyone else. Perhaps Im a bit more culturally relativist these days, but just read it again, still absolutely awful. In the end, wholl be proven right about the matter practically, in terms of what the outcome is and what the first drafts of history say? Their demands should simply be refused. It was the first of the slave narratives that I'd ever read and I found it astonishing.". Cotton was a completely different slave economy. When Olusoga recalled the experience before television cameras last year, he wept. He was a prominent figure in the campaign to abolish slavery. We aint paying no goddam reparations & no-ones gonna make us. Giles Terera, the Olivier award-winning British performer who starred in the popular theatre production Hamilton, has recently staged a play called the Meaning of Zong about the massacre of 132 enslaved Africans aboard the slave ship Zong in 1781 and the impact it had on Equiano. June 16, 2020 - 20:29 BST Aisha Nozari. Like I need to hand my cash to the next lass of Rus descent I see, lest she remind me of some unlucky slave-girl that may or may not have perished at the hands of my maybe-ancestors? Fuck right off As a winning debating strategy. He writes to inflame white guilt, so that you will ACCEPT destruction of your culture. Then, in October, came a breakthrough. Its a shame Its entirely possible to think something was awful without feeling the slightest twinge of guilt or personal responsibility. Those aged 11-14 have to be taught about the British Empire between 1745-1901, however the slave trade is one of nine examples given by the Department of Education on what can be taught. Re putting the argument for paedophilia they actually gave Gide the Nobel prize for literature didnt they? at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too.. Over 1000 years in Britain. So this race baiter can try his guilt trip on someone else. No other race / culture was willing and able to do that. not at all to disparage your ancestors GC. arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers.. Quite possibly slave-raiding Gaels before that. In the case of slavery the answer is clear. Wider imperialism reparations that include South Asia, China for the Opium Wars and so on, surely even more prohibitively costly, regardless of how effective the education system gets at making young Brits feel a vague sense of guilt about it all. Not good. David Olusoga, introduces his book Black and British, an exploration of the relationship between the British Isles and the people of Africa. And yes, grand scheme of things, forced choice between living in a central Asian city about to be captured by ticked-off Mongols and an African tribal group about to be captured by profit-hungry slavers then fine, I take the latter hands down. If someone from Portugal or France wants to explain why their country has done a better job of getting the balance right, Im open to hearing it. . Might, in this case, being 100% of the debating point. It is a good deed that must not go unpunished. I cant see the point of denying it was all pretty awful. I assume he is not very bright and Race Hustling is very lucrative. The world has seen more slavery since its abolition than before. If the alternative was that they were killed? Tim may be wrong about stuff, but ..that, ultimately, makes up for his beating squirrels to death for a hobby, Tim Worstall a horrid man who is anti-minimum wage among other repugnant things Socialist News. Cest de la trs bonne dialectique conomique. 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The problem with slavery is that it left us with their descendents and weak minded White populations. Slaves were crowded in a new environment with new diseases. The German survivors of Stalingrad were sent to camps and most of them worked to death. In the 15th and 16th centuries, thousands of pounds of gold were shipped to Europe. In dealing with the black contribution to the First World War, for example, he cites popular gratitude and admiration for black Britons among them Walter Tull, who fought on the Western Front. In 1787, they met in London and set up the Society for Effecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade. Olusoga, who is half-Nigerian, traces this focus to his mother telling him when he was a child that Nigerian soldiers served in World War II. He talks about slavery because YOU care. Would probably have taken your suggestion as a challenge. Separated from home and family and landed in the West Indies (countless numbers dying of suffocation during the journey, given that the people traffickers were packing the holds to maximise profits), the Africans had no recourse to the law, much less the conscience of their captors. "The way history is viewed is changing. Ive always agreed that the Africans should pay reparations to the rest of us for dumping all those people they wanted to get rid of on us. (and white people was pretty much the British). His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. Reasonable estimates have some 50% of the inhabitants of the Sokoto Caliphate as late as the late 19th cent being slaves. Then dont discuss it. He was born in Nigeria but arrived in the . And even if you personally disagree with it, what would be the strongest argument for some form of legal settlement? The stars are out as Dr Pete Olusoga explores the psychology of stage and screen with the wonderful British actor (and Coronation Street veteran), Shobna Gulati. I am not so sure about that although it is another argument. Instead he has become a campaigner working to discredit Britain, the country that has educated him, promoted him and brought him fame and acceptance. So he calls himself a Geordie. "Equiano is the most important voice that we have from the British experience of slavery and the slave trade," he said. And they will go looking for parts of the past that aren't on the curriculum, and they evidently do. He also studied at the University of Liverpool and so benefits from slavery as much as anyone else. You dont have esoteric discussions with paedophiles any more than you would with serial killers. There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. The Benin Dialogue Group announced it had brokered an agreement that will see "some of the most iconic" of the bronzes returned to Benin City, Nigeria, where they will be housed in the soon-to-be-built Benin Royal Museum. If one disproves his assertions would slavery then be okay? MBE: The problem with the UK paying reparations is that people like Olusoga would have to pay their share of the greatly increased taxes. Though I dont know where wed get $12 trillion in Confederate currency. They arent going to concede anything. Prof Darity and Ms Mullen outline that to eliminate the existing Black-White wealth gap an allocation of between $10 trillion and $12 trillion, or about $800,000 per black household, should be paid. Anglo-Saxons had slaves. Roman writers such as Pliny who chronicled or rather fabricated African life shaped perceptions of a continent populated by anthropophagi and other fantastic creatures, half-human, half-animal. Flyover Americans arent going to take it. It costs money to replace them and after a famine the price of slaves would rise. It's against this backdrop that Black British History Month was created. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Maybe Europeans did increase demand. At the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, Britain was granted the right to supply slaves to the Spanish colonies in the Americas, a right then passed on to the South Sea Company. Your email address will not be published. There is no reason to think that slavery was nicer in Africa. Olusoga, who presents the BBC documentary series A House Through Time, told presenter Lauren Laverne that racism was "just the background hum of life" when he was growing up. This history of the black presence in . If we look back history is just an unending series of atrocities. How could Britain, a civilised and Christian nation, indulge in rape, torture, killing and the forced labour of Africans over two centuries? His black half can get the half-payment direct from his white half. You can pay all the reparation for historical slavery related wrongs, real or imaginary, you want. Now sixteen sounds about okay to me if youre going to stick a limit somewhere, but then being British I suppose Im more likely to think the system Im accustomed to is normal and reasonable. Read about our approach to external linking. The thing we British are ancestrally responsible for is beginning and continuing to pursue the extinction of the sordid business of slavery. I had a girlfriend whose mother was a Nazi. Heroes of 2020 What Marcus Rashford's campaign for hungry children tells us about . After all, adult males were all but worthless and demand for women might have been enough to drive the trade anyway. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation?. See, five years ago I wouldnt have written a crass comment like that, but hey, times achanging and as financially independent with some FU-money, I dont have to worry about cancellation culture, LOL. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. When I met her, ~1995, I started asking her questions about the war, as I thought she was a fabulous resource of information. Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father - who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. That involved killing the adult men. It was such a brilliantly organised programme of mass protest that slavery was declared abolished in 1833: 46,000 slave owners were given 20m in compensation (17bn in todays money), the largest payout in British history and 40 per cent of all government spending that year. Blacks like Mr Olusoga despite endlessly banging on about it seem to overlook the fact that they are in a minority. Pope Nicholas V gave his blessing, so long as the Vatican benefited. It is about the centuries-long engagement with Africa, a consequence of which is the black presence in Britain. Note, hes a renowned economist. They did not pay for them and were going to kill a lot of them anyway. However, it applies to at least 80% of Americans. The race obsessed Department of Education goes to considerable lengths to distinguish Caribbeans and West Africans. And he might not find the society withdraws it nearly as comfortable for him to live in. It may not. December 2020. A House Through Time returned to BBC Two in May for its third season, and once again is fronted by historian extraordinaire David Olusoga. Id say theres enormous dangers in treating this as if it was some public school debating society gig. I can then give him the details of other descendants, he can apologise to and compensate. MBE, do not entertain these people, not for one second. Although I would expect the Germans, and perhaps even the Japanese, to be happy they lost the war. Get back to me in seven years, when youre ready to order. Well the universe has a law of gravity but it doesnt have a law of should there be reparations. Olusoga has written stand-alone history books as well as those accompanying his television series. Moreover its arguably unjust that only victims of still-extant states have a route to compensation whereas people from ethnic groups roughly contemporaneously massacred, enslaved and sacrificed by the Aztec Empire have nobody to sue. Anyway, I digress, we did have at some point, a gang of pedos turn up and put their case, reasonably, and were tolerated and conversed with. The rest apart from Ireland (17, partly due to influence of aforementioned Patrick) set it younger. It's possibly a deeper change than some people realise because I don't think what we're living through is a series of political events; I think we're living through a generational shift," he says. Fought to STOP southern independence. My great grandfather fought to end slavery in a war. For some peculiar reason possibly because theres a section of Western society has become very insecure about its own position its being some credence. "They do not want British history to be a catalogue of heroes and victories and glorious chapters," he says. Equiano is also mentioned in Incomparable World, a novel by SI Martin, which was selected by Booker award-winning author Bernardine Evaristo for her Black Britain: Writing Back series. His book is a product of that childhood terror, and partly an exploration of his condition as a black Briton. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. But Ill tell you what, slavery and human sacrifice, still awful. BZZZTT!! Shipwrecked off the coast of Africa, he, and other survivors, were taken by an African tribe as captives. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. He presented the recent series of A House Through Time on BBC 2, and Black and British: A Forgotten History. 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